Welcome to Season Two of the Antiracist Parenting Podcast! We start off the season with an AMAZING guest, Malaika Parker, who is the Director at Adoptive Parents of Color Collaborative. Malaika is committed to building whole and complete futures for her biological and adopted children. She does this, in partnership with her spouse, by being honest always, centering the humanity of Black people, and cultivating (literally in their urban garden) Black joy. Malaika is finding ways to build community and create environments that are free from racism and white supremacy, and she shares her “how-to” in this wonderfully filling - and nutritious - episode.
Please note: We sometimes use the acronym BIPOC, which means Black, Indigenous and/or People of Color.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/8937374
Resources:
PACT: An Adoption Alliance
Children of Blood and Bone by Tomi Adeyemi
SooJin and Hannah bring in 9/11 expert, Deepa Iyer, to process the horrific terrorist attacks that took place twenty years ago. Deepa describes 9/11 as a watershed moment in history that significantly changed the way South Asian, Arab, Muslim, and Sikh communities were perceived in the U.S. Since then, racial anxiety, Islamophobia, and anti-immigrant sentiment have only gotten stronger - making the work of community building and advocacy more complex and challenging. Deepa is a dedicated learner and activist who helps us to better understand solidarity as a practice. Some of the fundamental features of solidarity include 1) finding commonalities, 2) understanding our unique differences and 3) centering the voices of people who are most impacted. Deepa explains how we can tailor this framework as we talk with our kids - helping them to find connection, recognize privilege, choose empathy, and prioritize the needs of people who are experiencing the most harm. We are reminded in this episode that we have much to learn from our kids too.
Please note: We sometimes use the acronym BIPOC, which means Black, Indigenous and/or People of Color.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/9128121
Resources:
We Too Sing America by Deepa Iyer
Solidarity is This podcast
From Orphan to Adoptee: US Empire and Genealogies of Korean Adoption by SooJin Pate
In this episode, SooJin and Kyle talk about how art, spoken word, and poetry can serve as door ways to talk to our children about larger, more complex systems of oppression. Through his work on dismantling toxic masculinity, Kyle points out how harmful forms of masculinity is embedded throughout white supremacist culture, capitalism, and other systems of oppression as it informs dominant notions of power and control. We must attend to the ways in which toxic forms of masculinity show up in our work and relationships in order to not only save ourselves but also save our planet. And we reflect on the word “enough” and what that has to teach us in implementing anti-oppressive ways of relating, doing, and being. To jumpstart your examination of toxic masculinity, check out this Detoxifying Masculinity Meditation by Renee Sills of Embodied Astrology. It’s a great complement to this episode.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/9281072
Resources:
Maya Daniels Patreon page (Book Club and Political Education Resources)
Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer
The Characteristics of White Supremacy Culture by Tema Okun
Guante (Kyle’s website to pre-order Not a Lot of Reasons to Sing, But Enough)
What’s Good, Man? podcast
All We Can Save by Ayana Elizabeth Johnson and Katharine K. Wilkinson
We are Owed by Ariana Brown
The Great Derangement by Amitav Ghosh
In this special bonus episode, SooJin speaks to Dianna Myles, the founder of the The Angela Day School, to raise awareness of this new antiracist school that is scheduled to open in Fall 2022. Listen to find out more about this school, how you can get involved and enroll your children, and what the upcoming November info sessions will be about. Our conversation also delves into what antiracist parenting looks like when parenting young children. And we summon our ancestors, especially the words of the late great Toni Morrison and her speech from 1975 that offers a piercing critique of racism and potent instructions for how people of color should respond to racism. Hint: If we only knew our worth... Please read the speech linked below. It should be required reading in every classroom.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9354905
Resources:
Coalition to Increase Teachers of Color and American Indian Teachers in Minnesota
“A Humanist View” Speech delivered in 1975 by Toni Morrison at Portland State University How the Word is Passed by Clint Smith
Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain by Zaretta L. Hammond
I Learn from Children by Caroline Pratt
Children of Blood and Bone by Tomi Adeyemi
A Clash of Steel: A Treasure Island Remix by C.B. Lee
In this episode, SooJin and E.G. talk about the Minnesota artist community, the importance of “being in the tradition” a la Amiri Baraka, and how he and his partner are raising their two Black boys to be sensitive, confident, and creative souls. E.G. spits all kinds of wisdom, as he discusses how the women in his life, along with embracing his own feminine energy, has nurtured a healthy masculinity that he models for his sons, encouraging them to express their full range of emotions. He also discusses the importance and power of creating a mantra, a family creed, to instill in our children the core values you want to teach them. Doing so helps to build in them a strong foundation of pride, confidence, and respect that they can draw on throughout their lives. By the way, there’s an unexpected guest who makes her presence known towards the end of the episode. Her name is Prima :)
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9483584
Resources:
Godfrey Santos Plata: twitter.com/godfreyplata or instagram.com/godfreyplata
Tru Ruts (Art organization founded by Sha Cage and E.G. Bailey)
Tish Jones of TruArtSpeaks
E.G. Bailey’s Cineplays
Mamba Mentality: How I Play by Kobe Bryant
Mastery: The Keys to Success and Long-Term Fulfillment by George Leonard
Ultralearning: Master Hard Skills, Outsmart the Competition, and Accelerate Your Career by Scott H. Young
In this episode, SooJin brings in spiritual wellness consultant and restorative yoga teacher Marjorie Grevious to share the wisdom and insights she’s garnered from witnessing how toxic masculine definitions of what it means to be a “man” has robbed the men in her life. She discusses not only how men are complicit in toxic masculinity but also women and offers a powerful alternative to toxic masculinity, as she shares the various ways her and her partner worked to preserve the innocence and goodness of her nephew, as they worked to safeguard the #BlackBoyJoy he was born with. She also points out the responsibility that white people need to play in creating an environment where Black boys are safe and protected.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9644238
Resources:
Restorative Yoga with Marjorie at Yoga Sanctuary
templewithinyoga@gmail.com (Marjorie’s Email for Consultation Requests)
Radiant Rest by Tracee Stanley-Newell
Restorative Yoga for Race and Ethnic Stress-Based Trauma by Dr. Gail Parker
“A Humanist View” Speech delivered in 1975 by Toni Morrison at Portland State University
This episode is sure to lift your spirits! Hannah is back - she and SooJin are enlightened by Miranda (daughter of Emilia Gonzalez Avalos from Episode 4) and Amira (daughter of Laura and Daren Hill from Episode 10). Every word oozes with wisdom and brilliance. With the help of these two girls, we learn how to open our hearts wider, how to be more curious, how to find our people and build community, and how to embody love. If you interact with kids at all, in any capacity - this episode is a MUST LISTEN. Kids want to know the truth, and here’s what can happen when we let go of fear and provide it. As we enter a new year - treat yourself to this huge dose of hope and inspiration!
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9840677
Resources:
Apple Bitez podcast, created and hosted by Amira
In this episode, SooJin and Hannah bring in former guest, Kate Towle (episode 3), and her long-time friend, Sharon White, to talk about building relationships across difference. We learn how Sharon and Kate were raised by parents who modeled the practice of cultivating interracial friendships, and how that translated into their own lives. As they reflect on their 20-year friendship, Sharon and Kate reveal the risks and rewards associated with going beyond a working relationship and immersing themselves into each other’s families. Two of Sharon’s nieces, Khadijah Segura and Shaylyn White, make guest appearances to share their perspectives - as they represent and usher in future generations. This powerful conversation uncovers how cross-racial friendships help us deepen our understanding of ourselves as well as the world around us.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9873115
Resources:
Sweet Burden of Crossing (novel) by Kate Towle
‘Mom, Why Don’t You Have Any Black Friends?’ Before you talk to your kids about race, answer this question by Michelle Silverthorn
“Cross-Racial Relationships” on Code Switch podcast (Quote by Beverly Daniel Tatum)
White Supremacy Culture and Characteristics by Tema Okun and Friends
All About Love by bell hooks
SooJin and Hannah sit down with prolific author and editor, Veronica Chambers of the New York Times to discuss her recent book entitled Call and Response: The Story of Black Lives Matter. This conversation is epic, exploring the history of the BLM movement and how we can all play a part in moving the ball forward a little bit. Veronica poses thoughtful questions and weaves in her own personal experiences as a way to shine light on the complexities and realities that parents of color face - especially Black parents - as they raise their children in a society that was built to exclude them. Her book is both stunning and hopeful, and this episode is dripping with opportunity and intention. Veronica challenges us to choose our verbs wisely because what we do (or don’t do) matters and will have ripple effects into future generations. The power is ours. What verb will we choose today?
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/9991978
Resources:
Call and Response: The Story of Black Lives Matter
Unbought and Unbossed (film about Shirley Chisholm)
When and Where I Enter by Paula Giddings
NY Times Climate Hub Veronica Chambers
NY Times Climate Hub Somini Sengupta
SooJin and Hannah mix it up in this episode - featuring co-host, Hannah Carney - to launch a four-part series on What White People Are Doing. This series is in response to a question posed by previous guest Marjorie Grevious (from episode 19). Hannah opens the conversation by sharing personal stories, grappling out loud with some of the nuance that she is navigating, and providing a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes for white people who are committed to antiracism. She shows up honestly with offerings of grace and vulnerability. Her story highlights the healing nature of antiracism and the tremendous benefits of engaging in the more difficult aspects of the work.
Note: Some profanity is sprinkled throughout this episode.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/10180935
Resources:
Strategic Diversity Initiatives
Allyship Certificate Series
Headspace - meditation app
Lisa Harris & Co - narrative therapy (for people who identify as women)
All About Love by bell hooks
1619 Project by Nikole Hannah-Jones
SooJin and Hannah sit down with Delia McGrath (Hannah’s 83-year-old aunt!) for this sweeping episode. Delia was born in 1939 at the outbreak of World War II. She was raised in a large family of 14 children, attended segregated schools, married a Filipino man, and raised two biracial daughters who now have their own children (Delia’s four beautiful grandchildren). Delia has always known that racism is wrong. However, she hasn’t always had the awareness or skills to effectively leverage her privilege for antiracism. Her story is one of hard work and perseverance. Delia’s tenacity and dedication have brought new levels of consciousness, new tools and techniques, and new perspectives on how she can contribute to a better world for all of us. She is a model - a true gift - for white people doing antiracist work.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/10348126
Resources:
Code Pink: https://www.codepink.org/
Jewish Voice for Peace: https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Pacifica Peace People: http://www.pacificapeacepeople.net/
Cognitive dissonance: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/cognitive-dissonance Nice White Ladies by Jessie Daniels
Sweet Taste of Liberty by W. Caleb McDaniel
From Orphan to Adoptee by SooJin Pate
SooJin and Hannah sit down with Margaret Gerstle (Hannah’s 63-year-old aunt!) for this brave episode. Margaret shares how her commitment to redistributing wealth has helped her to better understand the true needs of her community, to learn new tools for addressing racism, to expand her network of friends, and to strengthen her overall sense of self-confidence. We love her humility and courage as she pushes herself to gain awareness and leverage her white privilege to help realize an antiracist future.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/10517174
Resources:
Community Foundation of Louisville
“Konda Mason: Holding Love Capital Sacred” on Green Dreamer
“Edgar Villanueva: Money as Sacred Medicine” on Green Dreamer
The High Cost of Racism webinar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUvPl5j57wk
Winners Take All by Anand Giridharadas
Decolonizing Wealth: Indigenous Wisdom to Heal Divides and Restore Balance by Edgar Villanueva
SooJin and Hannah round out this 4-part series by talking with Hannah’s cousin, Laura Holsen. Laura reflects on how she used to notice interracial couples and wonder what that experience must be like. Then she fell in love with and married someone from a different racial background! Laura’s relationship with her spouse, Sunny, has greatly shifted her awareness around privilege and motivates her to do more within her spheres of influence. In her role as a clinical neuroscientist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital - Harvard Medical School, Laura is actively learning about and implementing diversity, equity, and inclusion. We discuss how the field of psychiatry has a long way to go to become antiracist. Ultimately, this conversation inspires us to reconnect with our personal histories and respective ancestral healing practices in order to expand the ways in which we remedy illness, address trauma, and repair harm.
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/10673192
Resources:
Gather - documentary film on Netflix
This Land is Their Land by David Silverman
Mass General Brigham - United Against Racism: https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/who-we-are/united-against-racism
Dr. Camara Phyllis Jones: https://www.msm.edu/about_us/FacultyDirectory/CommunityHealthPreventiveMedicine/CamaraJones/index.php
Dr. Tamarra James-Todd: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/tamarra-james-todd/
National Institutes of Health DEI strategic plan: https://diversity.nih.gov/about-us/strategic-plan
This episode is chock full of goodness and light! SooJin and Hannah are joined by Hannah’s 8-and-a-half-year-old son (Anthony) for the first part of the episode. He shares what racism is, what we can do to stop it, and what has been helpful for him so far in learning about racism and antiracism. After saying goodbye to Anthony, SooJin and Hannah reflect on Season Two and the major transformations that have taken place within themselves and within their lives. It’s clear: both SooJin and Hannah were different people before starting the Antiracist Parenting Podcast. And the work they’ve put in over the past two years is ushering in all kinds of beautiful possibilities for the future!
Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1288241/episodes/10864878
Resources:
Heal Your Way Forward by Myisha T. Hill: https://checkyourprivilege.co/heal-your-way-forward/
Check Your Privilege and The Co-Conspirator’s Lounge: https://checkyourprivilege.co/
The Angela Day School: https://www.theangeladayschool.org/
Girl, Woman, Other by Bernardine Evaristo
How We Show Up by Mia Birdsong
As We Have Always Done: Indigneous Freedom through Radical Resistance by Leanne Betasamosake Simpson
How to be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
Story Tells a Story About Organizing by Renee Boney-Jett
Sulwe by Lupita Nyong’o
Separate is Never Equal by Duncan Tonatiuh
Something Happened in Our Town by Ann Hazzard, Marianne Celano, and Marietta Collins Chocolate Me! by Taye Diggs
Humphrey book series by Betty G. Birney
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